Spirit · 24 episodes
Gratitude & Joy for entrepreneurs
Gratitude and joy show up on this show less as feel-good extras and more as load-bearing infrastructure. The consistent claim, made from wildly different angles, is that joy is not the same thing as happiness. Happiness is circumstantial, tied to outcomes and vacations and the next milestone. Joy is something you build from the inside and can access on a bad day, which matters enormously for people whose income and identity are both riding on a business that will, at some point, go sideways.
Where the conversations diverge is on mechanism. Some guests treat joy as a discipline of daily practice — gratitude lists, morning silence, a written 'joy menu' you pull from before you hit empty. Others treat it as something closer to identity work: unresolved grief, trauma, or fear of judgment blocking a joy that was already native to you before anyone taught you to perform. Both camps agree on one thing — waiting for success to produce the feeling is backwards. The emotion has to come first, or close to it, for the actions that produce success to even happen.
There's also a quiet disagreement about effort. One line of thinking says joy takes work — grow, connect, adapt, give, on repeat, like a muscle that atrophies without use. Another says joy is what's left when you stop performing and stop bracing. Neither side thinks it's automatic. Nobody here got joyful by accident.
What holds across every conversation
- •Separate joy from happiness explicitly: happiness is a reaction to events, joy is a state you can build and access regardless of what just happened.
- •Write a gratitude entry every morning or evening, specific and concrete (the pillow, the coffee, the person next to you), not abstract.
- •Build a personal 'joy menu' of two-minute resets — a breath pattern, a cup of tea, a walk — you can use before stress compounds into burnout.
- •Practice feeling the emotion of an outcome you want before it arrives; it changes what your brain notices and pursues, rather than waiting for achievement to grant permission to feel good.
- •Don't wait for grief or hardship to resolve before allowing joy — the two can run at the same time, and forcing them into either/or thinking creates unnecessary guilt.
- •Treat aging and longevity work as incomplete without a joy component: physical optimization without a positive belief system about your own future measurably shortens life.
Joy Is Not Happiness
Multiple guests draw a hard line between joy as a stable internal state and happiness as an external, temporary spike tied to circumstance.
“Well, I mean, honestly, the Declaration of Independence says, you know, the pursuit of happiness, right? Like, it's, it's kind of like, life is gonna be okay, and everything, and you're gonna have everything you've ever wanted. It's this bill of goods that we're sold, that I think has these unrealistic expectations.”
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain · 10:36· listen →
“And so, yes, there's nothing wrong with vacations. And there's nothing wrong with checking off boxes and all of the external things. And those will make you happy for a moment until when is that next thing? But joy, joy is eternal. Joy is constant. It is what lives within.”
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain · 10:58· listen →
“And my patients who put their head in the sand and think, oh, if I just work out enough, I'm going to be able to not grow old and avoid all this stuff. I'll never be sick. I'll live forever. I mean, that's toxic right there.”
Joyspan Over Lifespan: Dr. Kerry Burnight on Aging Well · 2:40· listen →
“Big Joy is all about realizing that we're born for joy and not for deficits. Most of the leaders, most of the souls, most of the amazing people we work with have been taught somewhere in their journey that they're going to have to perform some version of perfection that I never figured out.”
Dr. Jax Black: Redefining Success Through Joy · 4:07· listen →
Gratitude as a Daily Reset
The most repeated tactic isn't complicated: name what's already good, out loud or on paper, before the day gets a vote.
“I'm grateful for this pillow. I look over, I'm grateful for my husband, grateful for these 3 kids, I'm grateful that I can breathe. I'm, you know, just— and every day you can shake it up or you can do it the same, but it does, it kind of like puts you on a path of saying, I can look at what is wrong or I can look at what is right.”
Joyspan Over Lifespan: Dr. Kerry Burnight on Aging Well · 34:03· listen →
“In the evening, in the evening is journal. Journal things that were what you did well, and especially express gratitude towards yourself and towards the people that you had that show you did something or you received something. And by doing this act of gratitude, it increases our sense of self-worth, it increases our happiness.”
Conscious Leadership: Deciding from Presence, Not Fear · 35:30· listen →
“My first thing that I always say every morning when I wake up is, thank you. Thank you for this day. Because we're not guaranteed it, obviously, right?”
Anthony DeNino: SMART Mindset for Entrepreneurs · 9:04· listen →
“How is this happening for me? Not to me. What is this teaching me right now? Okay, a little patience, a little calmness. So when your brain is working from a higher vibration and it's more positive and optimistic, ideas flow to you easier.”
Positive Activity: Daily Mindset Habits with Lori Rogers · 12:23· listen →
Feeling It Before You Have It
Several guests reverse the usual order: instead of achievement producing the feeling, cultivating the feeling first changes what you notice and act on.
“Our brains work in the opposite way... Be it first before you see it, right? So I don't mean pretend, but I mean, go to the emotion of having it now and then see what happens.”
Positive Activity: Daily Mindset Habits with Lori Rogers · 16:55· listen →
“I think we feel like I'm failing if I'm not doing it every day. I set a goal and I want to be a meditator, but I do it for a month and then I drop off. So I must not be a meditator. And it's like, well, that was for me years of that before it just slowly became that thing. And that's okay.”
Holly Conti: Scaling to 7 Figures with Mindset Work · 22:28· listen →
“At the end of the study, they measured the increase in strength from the group that actually did it versus the other group. And the numbers, and I hope I'm quoting them properly now, was a 57% increase in the people who physically did the action. But there was a 34% increase in the people who just thought about it.”
Anthony DeNino: SMART Mindset for Entrepreneurs · 31:45· listen →
Joy Under Pressure and Grief
Joy isn't presented as the absence of hard things. Several guests argue it can, and should, coexist with grief, trauma, and unresolved pain.
“But part of what joy is to me, or what joy to me is, the full expression of ourselves. It is the connection to ourselves and the full expression of that. And so grief can simultaneously live with joy.”
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain · 23:52· listen →
“It's, it's funny that you said, like, no one talked about it 20 years ago. They didn't in 1981 either, when it happened to me. And so for me, I didn't understand why at that young age I decided to share the truth of what had happened. But I did. And I ended up in a courtroom on the witness stand prosecuting my abuser at 7 years old.”
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain · 27:25· listen →
“other times, that's a year because a lot of female entrepreneurs are dealing with things like sexual assault. And that really impacts their capacity. And it's happening to all souls, right? But for female entrepreneurs in particular, it is really impacting their capacity to launch the company or to make the next big pivot.”
Dr. Jax Black: Redefining Success Through Joy · 32:21· listen →
“I always say joy is more than a moment. It is a lifetime of possibilities. Why? Because you unpack the moment to realize there's not just one moment. What you were experiencing were a series of moments. And it just caught up and like all of a sudden in the moment, your breath was taken away.”
Dr. Jax Black: Redefining Success Through Joy · 37:59· listen →
Building a Joy Practice, Not a Mood
Joy as a trainable capacity — through structured frameworks, mental muscles, and pre-planned menus of small resets rather than relying on willpower in the moment.
“You know, we move, journal, breathe, meditate to tone mental muscles, which are presence, courage, gratitude, confidence, and resilience. And within each mental muscle, there are different skills that you can cultivate and exercise in order to build that strength.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 11:05· listen →
“Can I be more resilient through joy, through the things that enlighten me and light me up and also light up other people? And that's what the whole premise is about. And you know what I found out? Because I'm a big nerd, there's facts that having more joy in your life leads you to success.”
Nicole Van Valen on Joy, Spirit & Resilient Leadership · 11:12· listen →
“A lot of it is just stepping back so that you can bounce forward. So it's kind of the first thing is to just recognize that you're feeling stressed or that you're feeling burnt out, because sometimes you don't even realize it.”
Nicole Van Valen on Joy, Spirit & Resilient Leadership · 12:30· listen →
“Every one of my patients who has maintained connection in longevity has been the proactive one. Every time I have somebody come in and say, nobody reaches out to me, I don't have anyone, I'm entirely alone, we then say, okay, now tell me about your habits of how you are reaching out to people? And invariably they go, well, nobody reaches out to me. I'm like, exactly.”
Joyspan Over Lifespan: Dr. Kerry Burnight on Aging Well · 20:10· listen →
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“I believe every single human being has the beautiful power within them to transform, to come home to themselves, as I like to say. And so my role is really to provide the safety, the love, the education, and the tools that people need in order to kind of cross that bridge into self-transformation.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 2:25
“Everything is a choice. Truly, everything is a choice to wake up, to say yes, to say no.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 6:12
“I said, okay, well, I see the divorce and I raise you. I'm quitting the job, selling the house. I'm gonna go on this travel sabbatical and just, you know, kind of my own little Eat, Pray, Love adventure because I knew that I could handle whatever came my way.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 14:50
“It's really hard for judgment and curiosity to coexist, 'cause if we can truly embody curiosity and say, huh, where does that pattern come from? Why do I think that? What am I afraid is going to happen? Then that's where we're really opening a door rather than judging something and closing a door.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 16:19
“I'm not going to go into the gym on day 1 and try to lift 100 pounds off the rack. You know, I'm going to go with a 5 or 10-pound weight. And then over time, I'm going to slowly increase the amount of weight that I can lift until I get to that 100-pound weight.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 22:30
“I also really love the one, worrying is like a rocking chair. It'll pass the time, but it won't get you anywhere.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 34:58
“I had shown up and fixed this exact problem I was having for so long here in Central New York, but I fixed it for everybody else. And I was very much building, the founder of a startup company, and I was not prioritizing building a support system for myself and making sure that my own social-emotional needs were being met by the people around me.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 5:46
“The beauty of events is that if your guests didn't plan the event, they don't know what's wrong. So, if something goes wrong, just cover it up with a smile and ask for forgiveness if you have to. At that point, there's nothing you can do.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 10:19
“If I don't move every day in one way or another, things get bad, so I always make that a huge priority.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 14:12
“I eat the same thing every day. For the most part, like down to a T. And that might sound like a little much, but honestly, it's made my life significantly easier and less stressful.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 19:55
“As a leader, as an entrepreneur, you're constantly having to make quick decisions all day long. You're having to solve everyone's problems. And it's just nice to have one less problem to solve.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 23:28
“There's just something so therapeutic about getting your thoughts out on paper and just leaving them there, you know, and not letting yourself ruminate on anything. It's been huge for me.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 30:07
“None of it matters if the relationships in our lives don't feel good. So that's something that I'm very proud of, that I can say that I've made that a priority.”
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout · 35:19
“And it was interesting when we started doing classes at Liberate, the curriculum would ask people to write down like 10 things they liked about themselves, and a lot of people couldn't write down a single thing.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 13:53
“I think it's even harder too for younger generations with social media. Like, even if you're not being told you're not enough, you're looking at somebody else accomplish something and you're saying, oh, I couldn't have done that. There's like, it's just constant comparison, which really can create negative self-worth and negative self-talk and all of that. So stay off social media.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 16:27
“Imagine you want that person to have it be 80% positive or 70% positive. You have to start changing the way you talk to yourself, cuz of course you're gonna have imposter syndrome if everything you say to yourself is like, oh, you're not good enough. Oh, she's smarter than you. Oh, that outfit's better. Oh, you shouldn't be here. Oh, what are you doing? Like, of course you're not gonna feel good.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 20:00
“Or the other one I love is your mind is a garden, your thoughts are the seeds. You can grow flowers or you can grow weeds.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 23:58
“Even a successful entrepreneur has failed 1 billion times and been rejected 1 trillion times. Like, I have been rejected way more times than I have been accepted. I have failed way more times than I've been successful. At this point, I'm like almost immune to it, at least for the smaller ones.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 27:28
“So it's like focusing on the end goal, you know, it's focusing on what matters and why you're doing it is really important for resilience. And then just being flexible, you know, things may not come to fruition in the exact way that you had imagined, but it doesn't mean that whatever you accomplish isn't a success.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 28:35
“There absolutely is some added levels of pressure because a lot of the retainer sort of agreements that I look at, people's income can be based off of how many views they're getting. And that's a really kind of difficult position to be put into where a certain amount of money is not guaranteed to you. That can put a lot of strain on you mentally.”
Creator Economy Burnout: Staying Sane as a Content Creator · 15:49
Every episode on gratitude & joy
24 conversations, oldest to newest.
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban
Living safely and checking boxes for success often leads to burnout rather than fulfillment.
Alex Canavan: Building Community Without Burnout
A dance background instilled discipline, self-accountability, and the ability to perform even when things go wrong, which translates directly into entrepreneurship.
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser
Mental fitness can be trained like physical fitness through five 'mental muscles': presence, courage, gratitude, confidence, and resilience.
Creator Economy Burnout: Staying Sane as a Content Creator
Creator-entrepreneurs face added psychological pressure because their income and self-worth get tied to unpredictable algorithm performance.
Positive Activity: Daily Mindset Habits with Lori Rogers
Daily positive activities like affirmations, gratitude journaling, and meditation are scientifically linked to increased sales, productivity, and resilience.
Success Without Stress: Vedanta for Entrepreneurs
Stress comes not from desire itself but from losing control over desire, which turns ambition into greed or addiction.
Jack Adler on Building Out2Win and Raising $1.3M Young
Jack pivoted his NIL agency into a scalable AI athlete-marketing intelligence platform after recognizing brands lacked data to evaluate athletes as marketers, not just performers.
Holly Conti: Scaling to 7 Figures with Mindset Work
Businesses are a physical representation of the inner work founders do on themselves, so scaling requires addressing limiting beliefs, not just tactics.
Joyspan Over Lifespan: Dr. Kerry Burnight on Aging Well
Joy is a stable, inside-out sense of well-being and satisfaction, distinct from happiness, which is circumstantial and fleeting.
Conscious Leadership: Deciding from Presence, Not Fear
Decisions made from fear and survival mindset produce competition and destruction, while decisions made from presence and abundance mindset align with purpose and values.
Dr. Jax Black: Redefining Success Through Joy
Joy, not deficits or trauma, is our natural born state, and fear of judgment or failure is taught by others rather than innate.
Dr. Spencer Lalk: Storytelling, Health & Startup Growth
Storytelling and emotional connection drive better patient and customer decisions than raw data or anatomy facts.
Billy Keels: Make Your Corporate Job Optional
Making a job 'optional' means building enough independent income and clarity that you go to work because you want to, not because you need the paycheck.
Dr. Lynn Anderson: Proactive Aging & Naturopathic Health
Health rests on three pillars—sleep, nutrition, and movement—and it takes roughly 120 days to replace an old habit with a new one, both cellularly and mentally.
Redefining Your Relationship with Alcohol | Silvia Subirana
Moderation, not just abstinence, is a valid and often more achievable goal for changing your relationship with alcohol.
Stoicism for Entrepreneurs: Lessons from Ken Davenport
Stoicism trains entrepreneurs to separate what they can control from what they can't, which reduces anxiety tied to uncertainty and outside events.
The Clarity Map: Lynn Mull on Purpose and Alignment
Career transitions away from toxic, high-pressure environments often take years and require deliberate financial and emotional planning, not a sudden leap.
The Doctor of the Future Is You with Sachin Patel
The healthcare system only measures disease markers, not the circadian rhythm, nervous system state, and rest/recovery patterns that actually determine health.
Digital Wellness for Founders with Randy Ginsburg
Removing phones at social events creates deeper in-person connection and helps founders recharge from burnout.
Nicole Van Valen on Joy, Spirit & Resilient Leadership
Resilience doesn't have to come from grit and misery; it can be built through cultivating internal, self-sustaining joy.
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain
Joy is an internal, constant state distinct from happiness, which is external and fleeting.
The ROI of Health and Fitness for Entrepreneurs
Exercise and nutrition act like a natural 'smart drug,' boosting decision-making, emotional regulation, and cognitive flexibility for leaders.
Anthony DeNino: SMART Mindset for Entrepreneurs
Success follows a four-step SMART process: mindset, emotion, confident speech, and action.
Entrepreneurial Wellbeing & Neurodiversity with Johan Wiklund
Entrepreneurial wellbeing has two forms: hedonic (pleasure/satisfaction) and eudaimonic (purpose, growth, meaningful relationships), and the eudaimonic form is closely tied to overcoming entrepreneurial challenges.