Spirit · 23 episodes
Meditation & Mindfulness for entrepreneurs
Every guest who talks meditation and mindfulness on this show arrives at the same practical claim: awareness is trainable, and where you put it determines your results more than intelligence, capital, or strategy does. Dandapani frames it as controlling where a 'ball of light' goes instead of letting your environment drag it around. Fleet Maull frames it as a 12-minute daily gap between stimulus and reaction. Niraj Naik gets there through breath holds and hypoxia instead of sitting still. Different doors, same room.
Where they split is on method, not premise. Naik and Sachin Patel treat the breath as a direct lever on the nervous system and push toward intensity — long holds, nasal breathing, deliberate stress to force adaptation. Maull and Dandapani push the opposite direction: soften, drop into the body, let the default mode network quiet itself rather than fighting it. Anthony DeNino cuts through the debate by insisting there's no correct posture or duration — meditation is whatever gets you to let go, on a walk or in a chair. Nobody here disagrees that practice matters; they disagree about whether calm or controlled discomfort gets you there faster.
The other recurring thread is that presence isn't a wellness add-on, it's the precondition for everything else people actually want — confidence, resilience, better decisions, even manifestation. Olivia Bowser calls presence the 'gateway muscle.' Sara Gilbert says trust lives 'below the neck' and most entrepreneurs never check in there. Caroline Cory's research on intention changing DNA conductivity and Dr. Mao Shing Ni's work on paced breathing dropping heart rate in three minutes both point the same direction: attention and intention are doing measurable physiological work, not just psychological comfort.
What holds across every conversation
- •Start with 10-12 minutes of any consistent daily practice rather than searching for the 'correct' method — sitting, walking, or breathwork all work if they build the habit of noticing your own state.
- •Use paced or extended breath holds (60-90 seconds) as a fast physiological reset: measurable heart rate drops within minutes, faster than most people expect from meditation.
- •Before adding more energy or effort to a problem, look for where you're leaking it — toxic clients, bad systems, unresolved resentment — since plugging holes often outperforms trying harder.
- •Treat triggers as three separate layers (thought, emotion, physical sensation) and address the body first; talking yourself out of a feeling rarely resolves it the way processing it does.
- •Replace the question 'am I doing this correctly' with 'did I do this today' — self-judgment about imperfect practice is a bigger obstacle than any technique flaw.
- •If you're deferring rest, sleep, or nervous-system care until after you 'make it,' recognize that's backwards: the guests who scaled fastest treated recovery as infrastructure, not reward.
Breathwork as a Physiological Lever
Several guests treat the breath less as a relaxation technique and more as a direct control mechanism for the nervous system and cellular energy.
“So intermittent hypoxia is the magic of breathwork. When you hold your breath for 60 to 90 seconds, you invoke a positive state, a positive stress on the body, and it creates an adaptive change to having less oxygen in the body.”
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs · 9:45· listen →
“When you hold your breath, right, for a long enough time, we create intermittent hypoxia and you reduce the oxygen supply to that mitochondria. You will make that mitochondria wake up and go, oh my God, I'm running out of oxygen. I need to do a spring clean.”
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs · 13:00· listen →
“The breath is the steering wheel of the nervous system... it literally is grabbing your nervous system by the steering wheel and guiding it in the direction you want it to go in. So if I need more focus, there's a breath for that. If I need more strength, there's a breath for that.”
The Doctor of the Future Is You with Sachin Patel · 37:26· listen →
“You'll notice that your resting heart rate— it's measurable— your resting heart rate will drop by about 10 points after doing 2, 3 minutes of this breathing, which is like amazing if you think about it. It's faster than taking a Xanax.”
Dr. Mao Shing Ni on Energy, Qi, and Longevity Secrets · 33:53· listen →
Presence as the Gateway Skill
Multiple frameworks converge on the same idea: before you can build confidence, resilience, or focus, you have to be able to notice what's happening in your own mind and body.
“You know, we move, journal, breathe, meditate to tone mental muscles, which are presence, courage, gratitude, confidence, and resilience. And within each mental muscle, there are different skills that you can cultivate and exercise in order to build that strength.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 11:05· listen →
“So ultimately, the goal is not to control the mind, but rather to control where awareness goes within the mind. And the critical thing to understand is that any given point in time, either your environment, which are the things and people around you, that's what I define environment as, can dictate where your ball of light goes. Or if you had enough control over your own awareness, you can choose where it goes.”
Dandapani: Training Focus and Awareness as an Entrepreneur · 0:40· listen →
“I think it's really our superpower. And not only that, we all have kind of our individual superpowers, but it's our access to our own superpower. It's the portal into the best we have and the best we can do through presence. It's just simply being present.”
Somatic Mindfulness for Entrepreneurs with Fleet Maull · 15:39· listen →
“Everyone's living above the neck, but trust is below the neck. So we all live here and we think that our body's useful purpose is just to carry our head around. But all the magic and all the knowing and the intuition and the gut feeling, it's below the neck. So can we trust that a little bit more?”
Sara Gilbert: Intuition, Language & Leading with Courage · 5:42· listen →
The Body Knows Before the Mind Does
A somatic thread runs through the healing-focused episodes: the body carries information, signals, and stored emotion that pure cognitive strategy can't reach.
“One thing broadly, our body knows, our body knows what we need. Our body has tremendous wisdom. The body knows how to heal itself. The body has all kinds of extraordinary abilities, which science is just beginning to understand, right? So the body is a tremendous source of wisdom and knowledge.”
Somatic Mindfulness for Entrepreneurs with Fleet Maull · 22:38· listen →
“The lion chases the giraffe and the giraffe is running away and gets away. They immediately do this huge body shake and then they go back into rest and digest.”
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing · 25:16· listen →
“The goal is to open up the pipe and let that thing finally move through us. And when it does, it can be a little bit uncomfortable in the moment. But as you start getting used to this feeling of processing your emotions, it can actually feel really good.”
Emotional Healing for Entrepreneurs w/ Benjy Sherer · 26:42· listen →
“The way that I like to put it is follow your gut, follow the intuition, but verbalize it with logic.”
Sara Gilbert: Intuition, Language & Leading with Courage · 8:51· listen →
Altered States and Expanded Awareness
For some guests, ordinary daily practice is a foundation, but non-ordinary states — through breathwork intensity or psilocybin — accelerated shifts that meditation alone took decades to produce.
“The responses were as profound or more profound than the kind of psychedelic insights you get, um, like oneness, connection, feeling like you've been channeled by God and all that stuff, as you would from a big dose of psychedelics.”
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs · 15:31· listen →
“You don't get the journey you want, you get the journey you need. And so my journey was nothing like what was— nothing came up that gave me any indication about what was next for me. What came up for me were a lot of things from my past that I thought I had processed, but I didn't process.”
David Kahl: From $100M CEO to Psilocybin Guide · 20:26· listen →
“We as entrepreneurs and leaders, that's what gets us where we are, is we think we have this energy above our neck most of the time. We're comparing, we're contrasting, we're judging, doing all the things that make our companies better, that make us better. And so I have to coach them to let go of that and to relax and be vulnerable and release expectations.”
David Kahl: From $100M CEO to Psilocybin Guide · 32:05· listen →
“So for those who don't know, haven't seen the film, working with scientists, you create baselines and you do it over time and you repeat it and we have controls. So we did do that. But of course, in the film, we show the part. And so what was fascinating was when we work with the DNA, the idea, the intention was to increase the electrical conductivity.”
Consciousness, Intention & Healing with Caroline Cory · 11:58· listen →
Stress, Control, and Letting Go of Selfishness
A more philosophical strand argues stress isn't caused by ambition itself but by loss of control over it, and that purpose beyond self-interest is a direct antidote.
“A desire per se doesn't cause stress. The desire for success could be the desire for anything, but when that desire goes out of control, that is when it becomes stressful. Simple example, you have a desire, desire to earn money. What's wrong with that? Everybody needs to earn money. But if that desire goes out of control, what happens? It becomes greed.”
Success Without Stress: Vedanta for Entrepreneurs · 4:31· listen →
“The more selfish you are, the more the mind is stressed. This is the law of life. It is selfishness which causes stress. So if the goal of your organization, your mission, your purpose is something beyond your selfish interest, immediately the mind becomes calm. And this is the secret which nobody knows. No business school teaches you that.”
Success Without Stress: Vedanta for Entrepreneurs · 29:33· listen →
“So why do you stress out about things which you have no control over? Assess again. Use your intellect and assess. So a person says, 'I have a nagging wife.' Just a simple example. Or a wife says, 'I have a husband with a temper.' So I asked them, do you want a divorce? They say no. I said, then you must assess. My husband has an uncontrolled temper. That's it.”
Success Without Stress: Vedanta for Entrepreneurs · 27:08· listen →
“Marcus Aurelius, one of the Socratic Roman emperors, right? So, yeah, one of the Stoic philosophers, paraphrasing one of his statements is something like, the majority of people think their life is determined by their circumstances. But in fact, it's not. It's determined by our response to those circumstances.”
Somatic Mindfulness for Entrepreneurs with Fleet Maull · 40:53· listen →
Building It Into Daily Practice, Not Perfection
The practical consensus: consistency beats method, imperfect daily habits beat elaborate routines, and self-judgment about 'doing it right' undermines the whole point.
“What I found is, number one, there is no quote unquote right way to meditate. I used to think that you did have to sit quietly and fold your legs and, you know, do this and, oh, you know, all that kind of stuff, right? Meditation could be just sitting quietly at your chair. It could be on a walk in the woods. The trick is to just let go.”
Anthony DeNino: SMART Mindset for Entrepreneurs · 35:00· listen →
“I think we feel like I'm failing if I'm not doing it every day. I set a goal and I want to be a meditator, but I do it for a month and then I drop off. So I must not be a meditator. And it's like, well, that was for me years of that before it just slowly became that thing. And that's okay.”
Holly Conti: Scaling to 7 Figures with Mindset Work · 22:28· listen →
“I recently started working with the HeartMath Institute on heart coherence. And so that has been really helpful for me. I can meditate for 10 minutes now. I usually do it first thing in the morning so I can set an attention. And that's been amazing for me. I've actually seen my heart rate variability improve. I'm sleeping better.”
Introducing The Total Entrepreneur: Mind, Body, Spirit · 7:01· listen →
“I would say to— and this might be against what entrepreneurs do because you hear the words and I can hear it right now— slow down. Slow down. And I've never said that before in an interview, but it's— it might be because I'm feeling that at this moment. But I know that we are missing out on so much of life by having our heads buried.”
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain · 45:29· listen →
The companion guide
Reading about meditation & mindfulness is one thing. Changing it is another.
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“It was in 2010 I got diagnosed with an autoimmune disease called ulcerative colitis, and that's what left me housebound for almost a year, shitting blood like 40 times a day. It was hell.”
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs · 2:20
“When you hold it to as long as I was saying, intermittent hypoxia, you produce ADOSE. ADOSE standing for anandamide, dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins. So this makes you feel naturally high.”
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs · 30:37
“I believe every single human being has the beautiful power within them to transform, to come home to themselves, as I like to say. And so my role is really to provide the safety, the love, the education, and the tools that people need in order to kind of cross that bridge into self-transformation.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 2:25
“Everything is a choice. Truly, everything is a choice to wake up, to say yes, to say no.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 6:12
“I said, okay, well, I see the divorce and I raise you. I'm quitting the job, selling the house. I'm gonna go on this travel sabbatical and just, you know, kind of my own little Eat, Pray, Love adventure because I knew that I could handle whatever came my way.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 14:50
“It's really hard for judgment and curiosity to coexist, 'cause if we can truly embody curiosity and say, huh, where does that pattern come from? Why do I think that? What am I afraid is going to happen? Then that's where we're really opening a door rather than judging something and closing a door.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 16:19
“I'm not going to go into the gym on day 1 and try to lift 100 pounds off the rack. You know, I'm going to go with a 5 or 10-pound weight. And then over time, I'm going to slowly increase the amount of weight that I can lift until I get to that 100-pound weight.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 22:30
“I also really love the one, worrying is like a rocking chair. It'll pass the time, but it won't get you anywhere.”
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban · 34:58
“And it was interesting when we started doing classes at Liberate, the curriculum would ask people to write down like 10 things they liked about themselves, and a lot of people couldn't write down a single thing.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 13:53
“I think it's even harder too for younger generations with social media. Like, even if you're not being told you're not enough, you're looking at somebody else accomplish something and you're saying, oh, I couldn't have done that. There's like, it's just constant comparison, which really can create negative self-worth and negative self-talk and all of that. So stay off social media.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 16:27
“Imagine you want that person to have it be 80% positive or 70% positive. You have to start changing the way you talk to yourself, cuz of course you're gonna have imposter syndrome if everything you say to yourself is like, oh, you're not good enough. Oh, she's smarter than you. Oh, that outfit's better. Oh, you shouldn't be here. Oh, what are you doing? Like, of course you're not gonna feel good.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 20:00
“Or the other one I love is your mind is a garden, your thoughts are the seeds. You can grow flowers or you can grow weeds.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 23:58
“Even a successful entrepreneur has failed 1 billion times and been rejected 1 trillion times. Like, I have been rejected way more times than I have been accepted. I have failed way more times than I've been successful. At this point, I'm like almost immune to it, at least for the smaller ones.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 27:28
“So it's like focusing on the end goal, you know, it's focusing on what matters and why you're doing it is really important for resilience. And then just being flexible, you know, things may not come to fruition in the exact way that you had imagined, but it doesn't mean that whatever you accomplish isn't a success.”
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser · 28:35
“It really is simply an invitation for us to see within ourselves where we're not honoring our unique capacity or where we have the opportunity to mature.”
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing · 1:34
“We are the life source of our business, right? We are the thing that gives it pulse. And if we're not taking care of ourselves, then that's, then what's the point, right? That this thing that we're creating, we won't be able to sustain it.”
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing · 5:30
“The challenging question that I ask a lot of entrepreneurs or people that are dabbling in their habits, I'm like, do you wanna waste 2, 3, 4 years down the line? I'm like, time is everything.”
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing · 29:34
“My recommendation for anyone that is experiencing those things is first shake out your body, like completely shake everything out. You can even go through some tapping, through some stretching, move your body, do like a little like 5-minute yoga flow.”
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing · 31:15
“There absolutely is some added levels of pressure because a lot of the retainer sort of agreements that I look at, people's income can be based off of how many views they're getting. And that's a really kind of difficult position to be put into where a certain amount of money is not guaranteed to you. That can put a lot of strain on you mentally.”
Creator Economy Burnout: Staying Sane as a Content Creator · 15:49
“The first one that I always say is you really do have to create for yourself. If you can find a way for you to be able to feel comfortable in saying that this is an extension of yourself, this isn't— instead of you posting content, you're sharing content, you're extending yourself to people. That can be a place where you find validation regardless of views, regardless of engagement, regardless of traction.”
Creator Economy Burnout: Staying Sane as a Content Creator · 19:19
Every episode on meditation & mindfulness
24 conversations, oldest to newest.
Niraj Naik on Breathwork, Hypoxia & Natural Highs
Intermittent hypoxia from breath holds triggers mitochondrial renewal and stem cell release, improving cellular energy and healing.
Cognitive & Embodied Awareness with Carissa Karban
Living safely and checking boxes for success often leads to burnout rather than fulfillment.
Building Mental Muscles with Olivia Bowser
Mental fitness can be trained like physical fitness through five 'mental muscles': presence, courage, gratitude, confidence, and resilience.
Burnout as a Mirror: Karenna Soto on Somatic Healing
Burnout is not just physical exhaustion but a mirror showing where you're dishonoring your unique capacity or abandoning parts of yourself.
Creator Economy Burnout: Staying Sane as a Content Creator
Creator-entrepreneurs face added psychological pressure because their income and self-worth get tied to unpredictable algorithm performance.
Jordan Harcourt-Hughes: Intuition, Resonance & Creativity
Entrepreneurs over-rely on logical, scheduled thinking and need to balance it with intuitive, embodied ways of knowing.
Emotional Healing for Entrepreneurs w/ Benjy Sherer
Trauma is the wound as it exists right now, not the past event, so healing means addressing current defense mechanisms rather than re-analyzing history.
Emotional Intelligence & Manifestation with Randy Lyman
Business success without emotional awareness leaves entrepreneurs unfulfilled, even after reaching high levels of financial achievement.
Success Without Stress: Vedanta for Entrepreneurs
Stress comes not from desire itself but from losing control over desire, which turns ambition into greed or addiction.
David Kahl: From $100M CEO to Psilocybin Guide
Selling a company can trigger a harder identity crisis than building it, because founders often don't realize how fused their identity is with the business.
From Burnout to Balance: Dr. Lynise Green on Wellness
Deferring self-care until after success is achieved is unsustainable, and prioritizing wellness actually improves performance and decision-making.
Holly Conti: Scaling to 7 Figures with Mindset Work
Businesses are a physical representation of the inner work founders do on themselves, so scaling requires addressing limiting beliefs, not just tactics.
Dandapani: Training Focus and Awareness as an Entrepreneur
Awareness, not the mind itself, is what moves, and entrepreneurs can train it to stay anchored in a chosen 'home' area instead of reacting to their environment.
Sara Gilbert: Intuition, Language & Leading with Courage
Potentiality is the invisible expansion beyond what we consider our maximum potential, and most people treat their ceiling as a stopping point rather than a floor.
Dr. Mao Shing Ni on Energy, Qi, and Longevity Secrets
Energy, not time or intelligence, is the entrepreneur's true currency, produced through mitochondrial ATP, regulated by the nervous system, and channeled as qi in Chinese medicine.
Somatic Mindfulness for Entrepreneurs with Fleet Maull
A daily mindfulness practice as short as 12 minutes creates the mental gap needed to respond consciously instead of reacting from old conditioning.
Sound Therapy & Cymatics for Entrepreneur Health
Cymatics is the science of making sound visible through mediums like water, sand, or powder, where pleasing sounds form organized geometric patterns and dissonant sounds create chaotic ones.
The Doctor of the Future Is You with Sachin Patel
The healthcare system only measures disease markers, not the circadian rhythm, nervous system state, and rest/recovery patterns that actually determine health.
Nicole Van Valen on Joy, Spirit & Resilient Leadership
Resilience doesn't have to come from grit and misery; it can be built through cultivating internal, self-sustaining joy.
Joy vs Happiness: Shari Alyse on Finding Light in Pain
Joy is an internal, constant state distinct from happiness, which is external and fleeting.
Anthony DeNino: SMART Mindset for Entrepreneurs
Success follows a four-step SMART process: mindset, emotion, confident speech, and action.
Consciousness, Intention & Healing with Caroline Cory
Controlled experiments filmed for Superhuman showed human intention measurably changing DNA electrical conductivity and the pH of water.
Introducing The Total Entrepreneur: Mind, Body, Spirit
Entrepreneurial stress and disconnection are more intense today, making mind-body-spirit balance more critical than ever.
EMF Exposure & Sleep: The Hidden Bedroom Health Risk
Cell phones, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth devices emit pulsed non-ionizing radiofrequency radiation that couples with the body's bioelectric system and disrupts deep, restorative sleep.